Out of Order
October 7, 2023 | by Marc Cebrian
On the sixth day of the Feast of Tabernacles, David C. Pack interrupted a field minister's sermon to teach The Restored Church of God more important information. Temporarily titled "Special Comments," David C. Pack inserted a 29-minute message on October 5, 2023, that will be later renamed “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 473).”
The entire clip has been posted until Brad Schleifer imposes a copyright strike against the YouTube channel. You can jump to each timecode listed below to see Dave in action.
Decency and order are nice to preach, but putting it into practice is only meant for the brethren as a means of control. The hirelings need not abide by such restrictions.
The term “out of order” can be applied to various circumstances.
• A machine is “out of order” when it is broken or temporarily nonfunctional.
• Someone is “out of order” in a courtroom when they practice inappropriate behavior.
• A sequence is "out of order" when the presentation adulterates the widely accepted succession.
David C. Pack and The Restored Church of God are out of order in all three ways. It is a broken church teaching heresy as a doctrine promoting another god and another gospel. David C. Pack has systematically reduced the significance of Jesus Christ in the Bible and has assumed divine titles for himself. Confusion and interruptions are a mainstay in that corrupted organization that acts as a functional betrayal of all the principles upon which it was founded in 1999.
The reporting on Part 473 is out of order because I skipped writing about Parts 471 and 472 for now. This was low-hanging fruit too timely to pass up.
Field enabler Nestor Toro either got a note slipped to him, or he interpreted hand gestures from the back of the Main Hall because he knew to stop talking, step aside, and let David C. Pack have the spotlight.
Special Comments (Part 473) – October 5, 2023
Nestor Toro @ 00:00 And now, brethren, I will cut my sermon at this point because we have Special Announcements. We have an additional an addition to the prophetic understanding that we’re what we have been learning. And for that, our Pastor General, Mr. Pack.
Dave always knows how to warm up the crowd, especially when a child cries.
@ 00:28 Somebody’s crying because I’m gonna speak again. [big audience laugh] I don’t blame them. [laughs] He always says he’s done. [audience laughs] Thanks to Mister Toro, who adjusted on the fly. And he understands rushing to call out his sermon [chuckles] now. I wanted a quick mention that title that is important to be aware of just before coming down.
Hey, Nestor. So much for your weeks of careful preparation to give that message at the Headquarters’ Feast that can no longer be produced due to an abrupt ending. Dave gets what he wants when he wants, and everybody else be damned.
Notice David C. Pack mentioned “coming down.” Because I am fluent in Packinese, I knew he was stating he was too busy with more important matters to attend Services like everyone else. This means he was toiling in the Third Floor Executive Imaginarium instead of assembling for Services with the rest of the commoners. After all, he has no need of such trivialities.
Dave confirmed at the end of the message what I already knew in the first minute. This admission is more for the skeptic’s sake, not mine.
@ 29:19 I'll just say I truly rushed today. Certainly, again, not having planned to speak. I know you know that. I mean, I didn't contrive all of this. My typist will tell you I prepared this message entirely upstairs, and I missed the sermon. All of it. I didn’t have a note written down until it all came together at home this morning.
David C. Pack willfully skipped an RCG Service because what he was doing was more important. He instructed a sermon he did not hear to be cut short so he could riff on ideas that proved utterly worthless 24 hours later.
This point holds a vital significance later when he gets on his soapbox to hand down firm judgments and death threats upon the RCG membership.
As is his style, Dave poses a question that implies the answer.
@ 01:54 What if the Last Great Day is exactly one day off? Lemme just go straight to the question. I would normally take more time to explain this. But what if every verse cited two days ago is just as correct after the Last Great Day?
And by "just as correct," he means not correct at all. Today is the Last Great Day. The attacks in Israel will surely send Dave into Chicken Little conniptions, but that has been in and out of the news since 1948. One summer a few years back, Israel was under constant rocket attack for over a month. Dave was not "just as correct" back then and is even further from “just as correct” now.
@ 02:12 What if other verses (certain verses) even fit better if we waited one more day?
If waiting one more day is “better," it must be much more super betterer-est waiting ten years. That is the state of The Restored Church of God. David C. Pack has been prophetically failing since August 2013.
@ 02:29 Why don’t you just set your pencils down, your pens. And I’m not gonna tuh I’ll turn to maybe one verse.
Dave flew off the handle with his Greatest Hissy Fit in March after he heard that some members do not take notes during his messages. But it is okay when he instructs them not to take notes.
To be fair, Dave never turned to a verse but recited three during the 29 minutes. But the set-up showed he planned on spending his time spouting off his opinions, which is most often the case. His theories have Bible verses nestled in between to give the impression of being correct.
Former Worldwide Church of God members may find this following tidbit of interest.
@ 04:32 The Feast (and all the brethren now understand) is eight days long. The Feast of Tabernacles is seven. The Last Great Day is the eighth day of the Feast. It’s the last day of the Feast. So, would it be you go one extra day?
Since the inception of The Restored Church of God, David C. Pack firmly taught that the Last Great Day was a separate feast from the Feast of Tabernacles. He loved to criticize the United Church of God (UCG) for blurring those two independent Holy Days by combining them. He called that a heresy and a watering down of God’s Word.
But as of Part 472 on October 3, 2023, UCG became innovators ahead of their time. Denny Luker is happily strutting in his grave because his Ambassador College nemesis finally adopted his thinking. Instead of throwing stones at UCG and PCG, Dave has reversed course and adopted their doctrines. The self-imposed walls of the Splinters Us vs. Them are getting thinner in RCG.
For the record, do not think I am advocating that Dave is wrong on this. Leviticus 23:36, :39, and Numbers 29:35 clearly state an eighth day holy convocation during the Feast of Tabernacles. The Last Great Day is a term inferred from John 7:37.
Whether the FOT is eight days or seven, I have no skin in the game. The hotel bills and airplane tickets all confirmed we were there for at least eight days, so it does not personally seem like a big deal. It was worth noting because Dave reversed his adamant decades-long stance.
Dave got to participate in one of his favorite aspects of his self-assigned position. He took off his belt and laid the brethren across his knee. Just remember, he does it because he loves them.
@ 09:43 Here’s another powerful point. And it’s very powerful. And I’m gonna warn the church right now. I’m gonna give a very strong warning and a rebuke to people thinking of leaving. Hebrews 10:25 tells people to assemble. “So much the more as you see the day approaching.” Don’t stop assembling. This is equated with the will of God in verse 36. And vengeance on those who ignore it.
When you measure the standards of David C. Pack against himself, the outcome is not optimistic.
God has a sense of humor and is a fan of irony. David C. Pack ignores assembling together with the brethren more often than anyone might think. That has been his custom for years. I am not the only eyewitness to this.
By his own admission at the beginning of this message, he came down from on high because he was not in the room for the assembly at Headquarters. Even the All-Believing Zealots notice his absences. I wonder what excuses they come up with so they can keep smiling as they put the green envelopes into the basket.
During the Feast of Tabernacles of years past, Dave and his team did not attend all the Services, even when they were not traveling. Sometimes, they did not show up at all unless Dave took the stage. His personal Bible study and high-level discussions with trusted advisors were more important than obeying the will of God to assemble. Assembling with the brethren is beneath him, just like paying attention to the opening prayer is beneath him.
“…before coming down…I missed the sermon. All of it.”
He recalled a Last Great Day story from the 1960s and another from an unknown point in RCG history as if they were necessary flags of warning for current members. He had to reach back sixty years to find something that illustrated an infrequent occurrence in the COG landscape just to justify his threatening rant.
A not-yet-ordained unidentified hireling at some unknown time spotted two unnamed members allegedly dressed casually on the Last Great Day. If you wear shorts on a Holy Day, it is the Lake of Fire for you! Details are so sparse on this account, and knowing Dave tends to stretch reality to the breaking point, the validity of this account should be highly in question.
My rainbow story is worth a review for those who have not yet read it.
David C. Pack is a personification of biblical hypocrisy to the nth degree. Not only does he chastise brethren for doing the very thing he does, but because he proclaims this under God’s authority, he blasphemes God and takes His name in vain. When a man accepts the role of a “minister,” he acknowledges the agreement of a greater judgment before Jesus Christ. Yikes, Dave…
@ 12:22 Now, had he been a minister, I woulda said to them, here’s what I’da said if I’da been there, “You are disfellowshipped immediately. You can do anything you want. You're outta the church, and you will not ever be back. That’s willful disobedience against God’s Law. You’re gone now.”
Stop.
The next time David C. Pack skips Sabbath services, Holy Day services, or an Offertory, please walk up to him and state with God’s authority, “David C. Pack, you are disfellowshipped immediately. You can do anything you want. You're outta the church, and you will not ever be back. That's willful disobedience against God's Law. You're gone now."
@ 12:42 Now I told you I’m gonna be strong. All eight days is the truest test. I’ve watched thousands and thousands of people blow off the Opening Night. “Well, I don’t feel like it.” But, you’re to follow the traditions of God down through the decades.
Stop.
God does not have traditions.
Conduct an eSword search to put Dave in his place. The “traditions of God” is a fraudulent concept with no biblical authority. David C. Pack just made it up. God has laws, statutes, and judgments. The church has traditions and standards. They are not equal, yet Dave tries to make them seem comparable.
And he knows this. Two weeks ago, Dave admitted to RCG members that the Opening Night of the Feast of Tabernacles was NOT a commanded assembly but a tradition Herbert W. Armstrong of The Worldwide Church of God created.
Part 470 – September 23, 2023
@ 40:15 There's no evidence (and this is gonna be kind of important later on) there's no evidence that the Church of God or the Scriptures ever say that the Opening Night is to be kept at the Feast of Tabernacles. It’s just not there. Mr. Armstrong modeled the seven fall days (of course, the Last Great Day, the eighth) but modeled them after Passover. Passover opens with the Night To Be Much Observed. So, he thought, "Well, the brethren are all there. We oughta have an Opening Night Service."
So, which is it, Dave? Is the Opening Night a commanded assembly or not? Is it a sin to skip it or not?
Many people will owe Ole Herbie a clean punch in the face after his resurrection for inventing traditions like the exhausting Feast of Tabernacles Opening Night Service, giving uncommanded offerings on Atonement, Trumpets, and the Last Great Day as a way to bilk the brethren out of more funds, and the unbiblical theft known as surrendering “excess” Second Tithe to the church. Herbie conjured those.
The church doctrines regarding make-up and birthdays are also entirely manmade and cannot be proven with just the Bible as your support. Watch any World To Come or read RCG’s literature to observe how they dance around those issues. Binding and loosing, man. Binding and loosing.
Not only does Dave throw people out of the church, but they may DIE before they get home.
Special Comments (Part 473) – October 5, 2023
@ 13:22 “For if we sin willfully after we received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins.” And the context is the will of God and assembling at the Feast. You’re done! You leave the Feast, you’re done. You may not even get home.
If you find yourself disfellowshipped from RCG, count it as a blessing rather than a punishment. Those outside RCG are thankful they are today. Whether they quit or were thrown out, everyone is better off for it.
The golden ticket for any COG is the “binding and loosing” verses that codify “because I say so” policies. The sticking point to that authority is that it needs to come from a legitimate apostle. David C. Pack is not a legitimate apostle. Neither was Herbert W. Armstrong. Even worse, David C. Pack is a proven false prophet and blaspheming liar. Nothing he says has any of God’s authority.
When Paul instructed followers of Jesus Christ to abide by church traditions, it was qualified with careful wording.
2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which you have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
Our epistle. Meaning the New Testament Bible. Not Herbie.
2 Thessalonians 2:6
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother that walks disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
Received of us. Meaning Paul, the apostles, and the New Testament Bible. Not Dave.
Churches can have traditions. But breaking those traditions does not carry the same consequences as breaking a command of God. David C. Pack doles out condemnation as if two separate things have the same value. Church traditions are not as important as God’s laws. But he and his enabling hirelings exercise enforcement equally.
@ 13:44 I’ve often said, and this what our ministers are instructed to do right now. Starting right now. You ask people, “Do you believe sin is the transgression of the law? And it is a law that you keep the Feast. It’s a commanded holy convocation. Commanded assembly, all of it.
Well, technically, not "all" of it. One small side point: HWA also came up with having services on the second through seventh days of the Feast of Tabernacles. Those are not holy convocations. Only the first day is a commanded assembly. The eighth day, known as the Last Great Day, is a commanded assembly. Not days two through seven. Go read it.
Believe that only if you are a Bible purist. You know, taking the Word of God at face value and following the instructions as written without the private interpretations of False Apostle Know-It-Alls like Davey Faux Passover and Herbie McGot-Much-Of-It-Wrong.
Would it not be interesting to learn in the Kingdom that God intended for His people to rejoice for the Feast by going on relaxing, entire-day outings with brethren and family and that He never meant to have official services eight days in a row?
@ 14:19 …and they say, "I'm still leaving," they're finished. Don’t even let ‘em keep the rest of the Feast. If you find that out today, expel them immediately. I warned the church a year ago if there's anybody thinking like that, you're gone now if we can discern it. If you know of anybody who’s gonna leave the Feast, tell us now so we can maybe save their life. Maybe warn them and save their life. If not, expel them. They’re way more than out of the church.
Snitchers gotta snitch.
@ 14:59 I’m glad I have the opportunity to stand up and speak like this. I'm sorry I have to. But maybe we'll save a few lives.
To truly "save lives" in RCG, people must flee before the miracles start. The next rung on the antichrist ladder toward further demonic thinking will be when Dave starts having vivid dreams of God giving him instructions. First will come the dreams. Then will come the miracles.
@ 24:51 And I can give you ten verses that say the saints alive on earth today who fell away die day one. They don’t drift on through the Kingdom for a year.
Leaving RCG has a death sentence attached to it, brethren. This message was not a warning for those who will leave the Feast early but a warning for people who leave RCG at any time.
With the continual disappointments through Trumpets and the Last Great Day, Dave knows some people made too many plans to abruptly depart before the Feast, so they will leave after. It is as good a time as any, with months before Passover, to plan a better future after The Restored Church of God.
RCG members did not come to the Feast to learn to fear God. They came to learn to fear Dave.
@ 29:39 So, now we wait a really tiny, tiny micron…we wait two days, not three, from two days ago [chuckles] till tomorrow. But, two days from today, and even that's more accurate.
Something entirely inaccurate cannot be more accurate. Accurate is not even in the ballpark. Nothing David C. Pack declares prophetically will be accurate. Ever.
And what exactly are they waiting for? Just a few days ago, Dave swore off setting dates.
Part 471 – September 30, 2023
@ 1:43:41 I just don’t know. And I’m not here to tell you the day. I’ll never do it again. I’ll never do it again.
This out-of-order 29-minute interruption wove in points about today being IT. Wow. That "I will never" declaration was one of his most short-lived yet. I wonder what excuse-making is happening across the street right now because nothing prophetic occurred today.
There will be more clarifying knowledge dispersal in the coming days with Part 474, which will prove to be even more accurate because they were not supposed to see the newest piece of the puzzle until it was the right time at the very end as part of the ending of the Mystery of God.
This article is an out-of-order report of an out-of-order message delivered by a man completely out of order with reality who runs a church out of order with God’s Word.
