Presumption Circus
September 11, 2022 | by Marc Cebrian
David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God was able to brave his way to the Prophecy Cooking Table without a police escort this past Sabbath to deliver “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 392).”
He got in front of his own failure again, with only minutes to spare.
That poor Headquarters congregation just cannot get a break. Oh, joy…another after-meal Bible study. How they fight the yawns is a testament to their fortitude.
Part 392 was sold initially as a "just in case" message but turned into a little more. The "backstop" of Elul 20 was pitched at the very end, being the last possible chance for anything to happen this year on the Feast of Trumpets.
Keep watching each day until Thursday at sunset. Or don’t. Because the result will be the same as Thursday turns into Friday. I just got chills down my arm.
@ 01:12 We had an extraordinary meeting on Thursday. The Chamber of Commerce and our vendors, and some who were in both, came to what turned out to be a truly wonderful event. It lasted about three hours or so. Well-attended. Probably a good hundred people came. And to say they were impressed is the all-time, you know, understatement, I guess I would say.
Notice he did not call it an “Open House.” I told you they read my articles.
“Well-attended” is a salt-water taffy comment stretched through the Dave Filter with no measurement basis. I could say my party was "well-attended" when only ten people showed up. That is great if you invited twelve. If you invited fifty, you have a scale on which to compare.
His “good hundred” has to be framed with how he perceives that term. Recall my rainbow story. They have the exact number. Dave had the exact number. As Brad showed him, if the number is not impressive, just be vague and give the impression of it being noteworthy.
If it was “well over a hundred,” he would have said that. The insertion of “probably” gives him a lot of wiggle room with the truth so he can intentionally hide in the fog. That is the RCG way.
The Wadsworth Chamber of Commerce has 1,200+ individuals who were eligible for the RCG UnOpen House invite. That number is in addition to the vendors. Reread his comment with that in context to see if it feels any different.
Very few at Headquarters will ever know the actual numbers, especially if Dave had to squint and include the staff to get “close” to one hundred bodies on the Campus within a 3-hour period.
When Dave historically crows about people "being impressed," the comment enters his ears because the question is posed, like when a woman asks her husband, "Do I look good in this?" What are you going to say? No?
I have stood next to Dave when he did this to visitors in the past. "Impressive, right?" "Oh yes, Mr. Pack. Very impressive." I have heard him do this in my presence. Multiply that by him asking twenty people in the same way. Reread his comment with that in context to see if it feels any different.
To add a bit more color, I received this Disneyland Map handed out to visitors on Thursday.
Note the absence of the houses inside the Campus. The $1.1 million horse barn also did not make the cut. No, it is not to scale for all you architects out there.
Former Wadsworth Mayor Dr. Caesar Carrino attended the UnOpen House and then wrote a glowing letter to Dave, who was tickled pink to read it to the church. It was complimentary, and I do not doubt that gentleman's sincerity.
Dr. Carrino is also a historian and shared an interesting fact when he spoke with Dave.
@ 02:31 He said, “Did you know what this property used to be used for?... This is where the circus came to town. The circus was on this property for years.”
What a softball pitch, Dave. The circus is still on the property. Dr. Carrino returned to the circus of his youth. The members of The Restored Church of God are trapped inside your spiritual circus.
Be dazzled by the RCG spectacle under their big top of prophetic fraud and feel your logic and critical thinking fade away.
[Shout out to my two buddies who flagged this comment after I did not catch it.]
Near the end of the letter, Dr. Carrino asks Dave an earnest question:
@ 07:02 “Would you consider making the grounds a destination point for people in Wadsworth? Or from anywhere else, for that matter, to see the Eden on earth that has no parallel anywhere around here that I have seen. I think it would be extremely well-attended.”
Dave does not answer that question because we all know it already:
“A cordial hell-no, sir. Good day.”
@ 28:11 I finally, truly, completely understand what it means that "three shepherds also die in one month.” One lunation. 29 days.
I have been hearing Dave “understand” the three shepherds of Zechariah 11 since December 2012. Dave left out all the names of men who carried that title in the past. One of them is now a high school math teacher in Texas. That does not sound prophetic.
@ 29:15 Now, follow me very carefully. I’m gonna break out the month of Elul in a way we’ve never understood it. And it’ll be impossible to argue with.
After the Feast of Trumpets comes and goes, he will make the impossible possible by arguing with himself and that insolent "we." He seems to be doing a lot of that these past few weeks.
@ 32:34 But here is one whole month that now I understand involves a flock being fed at the last before God does anything. There is no other way to read that.
@ 37:09 I kept asking, Could we go past Elul 15?
@ 38:19 So, there’s no way it’s a 15-day Kingdom. And I knew that a week ago when I told you we would probably be looking at next Saturday night. That’s what I thought. So, I thought we were waiting for the 15th [of Elul].
He reverses his own 15-day Kingdom teaching from last week. He also dis-invites Elul 15 (September 11, 2022) as the day RCG receives salvation.
Let the past go, brethren. Last week is the past, brethren. Do not let past words confuse us, brethren.
David C. Pack tells you everything you need to hear
to make a judgment call if he is true or not.
@ 38:30 But I may have presumed something, and I wanna clear that up, and maybe God knew we would ‘cause we’re bounding over all kinds of things. Bounding over mountains. And have to sometimes go back and touch up a few details. So, I wanna do that.
Here are “a few details” from one week ago in Part 391 that need some "touch-up."
Part 391 – September 3, 2022
@ 29:53 …and we’re gonna find we’re right on time in a way we could’ve never guessed.@ 42:00 We’re gonna bring prophecy and history and math together.
@ 1:11:35 Blessed is when salvation comes. And it looks like it’s attached to 15 days before something. I’m pretty sure it’s Trumpets.
@ 1:13:52 There’s no way the [70th] week would start any other day [Elul 15]. If God’s gonna do it on another day, we could never know that. And I’m just gonna say that to you.
Only David C.raptacular Pack can consider delaying the arrival of salvation for the members of RCG as a “touch up a few details” item. But, the people choose to continue to sit and listen. The enablers choose to continue to support and excuse.
The wise Obi-Wan Kenobi once said, “Who’s the more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?”
Amen, Ben.
My heart still goes out to the brethren of The Restored Church of God, but I want to ask them, "Why do you continue to put up with this? Your Pastor General continues to admit to the end of the message that he has been presumptuous. What do you make of that?”
If “presumptuous” were a drinking game, you would need to have the ambulance on speed dial.
@ 39:04 Is this a 15-day Kingdom? Is it a 10-day Kingdom?
At the end of the article Seven Times Fraud from August 16, a certain non-prophet/non-psychic exposed Dave’s potential roadmap:
Either world events happen tomorrow [August 17] to begin the punishment for all of Israel, or Dave digs back into his Bible to find a 30-day count. Then a 20-day count. Then a 10-day count. Then a 7-day count. Then a 3-day count. Then a “big fat never mind because it was The Last Great Day all along!”
Dave continues his Part 392 “presumption” confessional.
@ 39:50 Nowhere is a definite length for this period listing, and I do not want to presume to say that I know because it is still possible. In fact, probable we don’t know the day.
Whew. He just rolled the clock back on RCG doctrine to a pre-2012 teaching.
@ 40:03 But we know it cannot go more than 4 ½ days. It could go all the way to 10 days.
Never mind. Back to presuming. That is literally the following sentence with a breath in between.
@ 48:14 I’ll explain the 1335 in a minute. We might have made a presumption there.
"We" the fartface is back at it, making the days feel longer than necessary.
For all those stone hearts out there who enjoy watching Dave squirm while admitting how presumptuous he has been, this video is right up your alley. Watch this as if he were a little child you just caught stealing money from your dresser drawer and then asked him to explain himself.
Watch how another prophecy problem “will just work itself out naturally.”
@ 48:39 The 1335. Is this really a known date? Is that really today? Are we in the 1335 today? Or did I presume something coming off of Elul 15 and Artaxerxes’ decree…I presumed Elul 15.
@ 49:32 I presumed off of Elul 15 and the start of 69 weeks of seven years. 2,500 years ago, when they started, I presumed that the seven years, the last week, the 70th week would start on Elul 15. Now, look, I hope it’s tonight. Let me just say that. But that's a presumption, partly because this last week where God “confirms the covenant with many” cannot be exactly seven years. Brethren of God, it's literally not possible. And I knew that last week, but I hadn't sorted it out exactly. It has to be...seven weeks and a few days for the first kingdom.
He was wrong, but he knew before everyone else. Finding a way to be right about something he was wrong is a classic Dave Pack move.
No matter how big a hat he eats in front of the Headquarters congregation, the "learning opportunity" will soon be forgotten, and the pattern will repeat.
@ 51:10 So, I assumed, “Well, that’s Elul 15. I guess this last week is seven years and fifteen days. And maybe that’s why it’s 1335. Oh, the fifteen days lines up. Presumption complete.
If you go back (and nobody will do this, I know) and listen to Part 391, David C. Pack did a “masterful” job of masking his wild presumptions as biblical fact. As is his custom since 2012.
David C. Pack tells you everything you need to hear
to make a judgment call if he is true or not.
He continually exposes himself as untrustworthy to all the “ministers” and all the members inside The Restored Church of God.
How could a human being broadcast more plainly, “DO NOT TRUST ME!” than David C. Pack? Your answers are all before you in his own words.
@ 51:28 But if you think about it…I have no authority. I made an assumption. I have no authority to say that the First Kingdom, the 1335 has to be 15 days…
Last week, if members inside RCG disagreed with this teaching verbally to their minister, they would have been suspended on the spot and shown the door with a spankin' for good measure. Seven days of history prove they were right.
If you disagreed with “God’s apostle” seven days ago, you would have been on the right side of the truth fence. Let that sink in.
Why are all the “ministers” at Headquarters on board with every whim and fancy that Dave conjures week after week and month after month?
Because that is what hirelings do. The only paid “ministers” left inside The Restored Church of God are hirelings.
@ 52:49 I don’t wanna just sit here now and build a case for 10-days from now, then we all go to sleep. It may be tonight or maybe Monday night or something. I’ll give you an interesting idea here in a moment. But, I made that presumption.
He just admitted repeatedly that he has been "presuming," yet he does it again and continues presuming until the message's conclusion. Nine more minutes of it. Speculation upon speculation upon speculation.
That is pathological. No joke. No snark. He cannot stop what he is doing. He is compelled.
Deuteronomy 18 will get you suspended from RCG these days if you ask your minister about it, but how interesting that Dave sometimes "coincidentally" mirrors God's word.
Deuteronomy 18:20-22 - But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if you say in your heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken? When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken, the prophet has spoken it presumptuously: you shall not be afraid of him.
The biggest presumption by David C. Pack is that he is right and that God is leading him. The members of RCG are also guilty of believing him.
David C. Pack is a biblical fraud, and God is not leading him. If He were, Dave would have been perfectly accurate the very first time in 2013. At that point, he was disqualified forever. So says the Bible.
@ 58:38 …we are hearing the final message on the 15th.
More presumption.
@ 58:59 Maybe. See? Maybe. You know it can’t go more than about four and half more days.
More presumption.
@ 1:00:48 So, to conclude, stay alert. Keep your lights burning every day. Cling to the solar system [of Trumpets] as the backstop of Elul 20. Ya have to have 10-days. Can’t go under that, or it means it’s another year away…There are cases for each of the next few days leading up to Thursday, which is the ultimate backstop before we must go another year which, to me, is unthinkable.
Lesson not learned. Does not compute. Presumption to be continued.
In the context of Bible prophecy, David C. Pack talks up a pretty good game, but when push comes to shove, the man just cannot deliver.
History proves that.
Elul 20 is September 16, which begins at sunset on Thursday night.
The circus is not leaving town any time soon.
Speaking of the circus,…time to have a little fun.
Dave was quizzed on why there was a police vehicle parked at the front gate for Thursday’s UnOpen House. He sang about his plight to the congregation.
